Friday, 26 June 2015

Buhari and Me (conclusion)



Buhari and Me (conclusion)
Tomorrow, Gen Muhammadu Buhari will be sworn in as president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. It has been some nine weeks since he was declared winner of the 2015 presidential election; the run up to which probably brought out the worst of us as a people in the way and manner both active players and their supporters conducted themselves. Finally, Nigerians spoke and it became clear – in spite of the huge sums of money and other less than honourable arsenal in the kitty of the outgoing ruling party – that citizens went for change after a sixteen year rule of the PDP. Thus, we shall have a new party at the helm of our nation’s affairs, never mind the cynicism over the persons that now people the APC.
During the nine-week transition period, I thought it would be interesting to serve you excerpts of our interview with the incoming president, which took place some five years ago when he was gearing for the 2011 elections which he eventually lost to President Jonathan. The essence of serving you that odyssey of an interview – in seven installments – is to present the reader with more insight into the mind, hopefully, of Buhari: how he sees Nigeria, his perception of how the nation has been governed and what is wrong with the affairs of the nation. As mentioned earlier, the interview was conducted in 2010; therefore, it will be left for you the reader to determine for yourself whether or not the man has been sufficiently consistent even to this moment when he finally, on the fourth shot at the presidency, won the contest. I have followed Buhari’s quest for the number-one position of Nigeria fairly closely, especially from the 2011 contest; therefore, I have an opinion on his level of consistency in general, which I will share here without meaning to necessarily convince any person who has a contrary opinion.
From 2002, when Buhari decided to run for office, up to the election of 2011, he largely anchored his ambitions on the will of the masses, the Talakawas. The political elites were never with him. He lost in all three occasions and he contested the results in court. Of course many believed he had cause to contest the elections which were considered far below par in integrity even though the Judiciary considered them okay in the light of substantial compliance, as contained in the Electoral Act(s). In any case it would appear that aspirations anchored on the Talakwa in Nigeria never see the light of day in spite of glaring evidences to the fact of mal-governance by the elite. A case in point is the late Mallam Aminu Kano, probably the truest nationalist to have emerged from northern Nigeria in his time.
But in all of this, Buhari’s political mantra has been to fight against corruption, which he considered the bane of the Nigerian society and purveyed actively in the fourth republic by the ruling PDP. In our interview with him, he was asked what the chances were for him to ever run on the ticket of the PDP. His answer was an emphatic “None!” In fact he stated that instead of him to join the PDP, they, the PDP, should come and join him in quest against corruption and bad governance. I remember, on that day while rounding the program recording off, I made a slip and referred to him as presidential aspirant under the PDP, instead of the CPC, and he quickly retorted “God forbid!” The slip was edited out.
I guess Buhari realized even by 2011 that he had to manage to close ranks with some of the political elites in the country to be able to upstage the PDP behemoth, thus the overtures to other political parties, particularly the ACN then. The hoped-for alliance never materialized then until in 2013, preparatory to 2015 when most of the opposition parties led by the CPC and ACN merged to form the APC. And prophetically too, many in the PDP decamped and joined him in the APC. The stage was set.
But one would expect that his message would change, perhaps to accommodate the many soiled fingers that have come around him; however, he has been steadfast. Again, I put the question to him, and many others before and after me did, as to his blueprint to tackle whether corruption, insecurity or the battered economy. In observed that his response has always been that he will do nothing special other than to “literally go by the book”; we have the constitution and other laws and we should get them working first before talking of some highfaluting theories that will not trickle to the man on the street at the end of the day. The man has been consistent in his credo; and the way he has gone about things and with the frenzy and sensation of the transition since his victory, he has shown indeed that he wants to go by the book.
In this round off on my interview with him, I had wanted to include a little more of the excerpt but I had no electricity to power the studio for me to retrieve that bit. Of course even with the two huge generator sets meant to power my office complex, no diesel to run them. I guess the new president has his work cut out for him. It’s a ramshackle country. I pray for him. No excuses; the last five years have tired us with them.
 


BLUEPRINT Newspaper; Thur. May 28, 2015; p2

Buhari and Me (6)



Buhari and Me (6)
Continued from last week…
Buhari: (contininues…) So really Nigerians know. That is why I am shifting this thing to the electorate. For us to get this multiparty democratic system workable in Nigeria, the electorate must have to go and deliver their constituency. If they don’t, they will be the losers, because if the country is not properly managed, it means there will be so much unemployment. Look at what we earned in the last eleven years; look at the state of our infrastructure; factories closed… Kaduna is one of the biggest casualties in terms of closure of factories… Kaduna, Kano, Lagos, all the industrial centres. Go and conduct a survey… the millions of Nigerians out of job because of incompetence in governance; illegal governments for that matter. So really, there’s no contradiction, which is why I was upset when there was so much talk about (electoral) reform. All those five documents that I mentioned: the constitution, the INEC Act, the parties constitutions, the Electoral Act; they are comprehensive enough to guarantee free and fair elections, but they are not being respected. So to reform what you haven’t practiced… I am so happy now that Jega is the chairman of INEC because he was part of that reform committee… (general laughter). The second question is about the cost of the legislature and so on. I think there’s a lot of literature recently about this, and the Honourables and the Distinguisheds get nervous when you ask them what their take-home pay is… some say it’s up to about 11million a month. Well, they’re arguing about it and…
Me: (Cut in) Well at any rate, even though we do not know precisely the figure, we’re very certain that they are the most highly paid legislators world over…
Buhari: Well, there were other problems about this constituency allowances and so on. If there are capital projects, for instance, you are going to do a dual carriage way, say from Zaria to Sokoto. How many constituencies would that cover between the two towns? Then if you take that money and give it to a legislator, what does he do? Sink a borehole? Instead of building a dual carriage road that will bring security and economic benefits to the whole area in that stretch?
Me: (cut in) So how do you react to that and what can you do in the event you emerge president?
Buhari: Well, those things have to be dealt with dispassionately. What I said in a previous interview is that we’ll have to secure and manage this country. What do I mean by security in this country? All this feeling of insecurity, which Mr President himself identified and told Obama – about these kidnappings and assassination. You can’t even afford to succeed in Nigeria. May be you’re not a contractor, you’re not a Perm-Sec in charge of the vote of your ministry; you’re just a trader and you’re successful. You made your money, you can’t build a good house and send your child to a good school; you just get kidnapped! And then you have to turn over all you capital to the kidnappers. So this country has to be secured and then managed; and managing it is that the resources must be properly utilized for Nigerians. It is a scandal what we’ve earned in this country in the last eleven years and the state of our infrastructure. It’s a big scandal.
Me: Alright, there’s the question of zoning…
Buhari: Well, I think I have partially answered the question of this zoning. This zoning is a PDP agenda; it is their own convenience. When the CPC was registered, we registered it as a political party for the whole country and we appealed to the electorate to go and educate their constituencies and deliver that to us, because we promised them that our manifesto is going to address the things closest to Nigerians’ lives; the security of lives and property and the management of resources and getting industry and infrastructure up so that people can get jobs, they can pay taxes; and the social services that collapsed like education, healthcare, even drinking water will be  back. This is what is contained in our manifesto. So the question of zoning is a PDP affair. Let them go and carry on with their problems. I don’t believe in zoning. Let us play democracy. That is why I am insisting and begging the electorate to go and deliver their constituencies. When people are properly educated, when you remove the religious, the tribal and other negative postures people take… I can understand if somebody wants to be a councilor, but if you’re in Kaduna, even if you want to be a councilor, can you afford to bring in religion? You can’t because you’ll be voted out. If you bring tribe you’ll be voted out. So anybody with a national outlook cannot bring the question of zoning. It will give people some confidence that somebody is from their area may be, but what is the point of somebody from your area, whom, after voting him, you will not see until after four years? What is the use?
To be concluded next week…

Buhari and Me (5)



Buhari and Me (5)
Continued from last week…
(Questions from audience)
Maxwell Kyon (Legal Practitioner): Your Excellency, I have to a very large extent worked on the question of reform of our electoral law. It’s true that if the laws in the statute books are applied as they are, there might not necessarily be any need for reform. The only problem is that they sometimes are never applied as they are. But there’s this thorny question and it continues to arise in issues of elections in courts and this is the question of what is substantial compliance. Because in 2003 and particularly in 2007 elections that led to your going to court, the court actually agreed with you that there was no serialization of ballot papers and that it was actually against the spirit of the electoral act, but that it was not substantial enough to invalidate the election, even though the Justices that dissented disagreed with the holding of the majority on that point. My question is this: let’s assume that you get into office as the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, what is your position on the issue of the clause that continues to remain in the electoral act  on the fact that even if there are instances where elections are conducted outside of the import of the electoral act, as long as those instances don’t amount to substantial non-compliance, those elections would remain valid, because you have fallen victim, twice, of this very provision of the law? My second question is on accountability. It has been argued, and I hold that view myself, that part of the problem we have in this country is the legislature, in the sense that it has become too costly to manage the legislature in Nigeria, and also the fact that it would seem as if any bill that would be gotten passed in the NASS or the State Assemblies, you would have to go to the members with some Ghana-must-go and all of that to get your bill passed. What is your position as it affects the legislature and accountable government?
Samuel Aruwan (Leadership Newspapers): Your Excelency, I want to draw you back to the issue of zoning, which has actually heated the polity because one side, the northerners in the PDP, is insisting that power must come back to the north, come 2011. On the other end, others are saying that they believe there are two types of zoning: man-made zoning and God-made zoning, and that it’s God-made zoning that has taken us to where we are today. My question is this: what exactly is your position as far as zoning is concerned? Then again, in 2002, there was a report that was credited to you. You went to Sokoto to chair the book launch of Sheikh Attahiru, at the end of the day, what we heard in the media was “Muslim, vote Muslims”. There were lots of rebuttals and I quite remember the Catholic Bishops Conference of Nigeria exonerating you, saying that they’ve done their investigations and come to the conclusion that you didn’t precisely say so. But then people still have it in mind, considering the band of people supporting you within the north. Your supporters are said to be mainly Muslim, I stand to be corrected. The question is what is your position on the kind of presidency Nigeria needs? Is it a Muslim presidency or a competent presidency?
Tony Akowe (The Nation Newspapers): Your Excellency, talking about free, fair and credible elections; there’s a school of thought that believes that for the 2011 elections to be free, fair and credible, President Jonathan has to resist the temptation to run for office. What is your take on that?
Buhari: Well, I have scribbled the basics of the questions. The first is the question of reform of the electoral act regarding substantiality of compliance and so on… it a technical thing, although one of my colleagues said he has given me an honourary SAN (Senior Advocate of Nigeria), having sat in court for the length of time I have (general laughter). But I assure you that the question of defining substantiality has beaten me. I think I made a statement on the 12th of December, 2008, when the Supreme Court handed down that judgment, that the Supreme Court, as the Constitution said, is supreme; whatever interpretation they give the government, or they give a law or a case, we just have to go by it. Nobody can do anything about it in the country again. That is fundamental. But having said that, the fact that the decision of that election split the Supreme Court said a lot about the credibility of the election. There were seven Justices; three of them said there was non-compliance. The fact that the presidential ballot papers were not serially numbered, by the electoral act, annulled the election. That’s the decision led by Joseph Oguntade as well as Jutice Mukhtad. They said that by the electoral act, the election was nullified. But then when there’s three-to-three, I hope it was not rehearsed, the Chief Justice decided to vote for the government, and this is what happened. It is now in our history books. So I don’t think, as an “honourary SAN” (laughingly), I should strain myself to explain substantiality… all foreign observers said the election was flawed. The president, Yar’adua, himself – may his soul be in perfect peace –mentioned it; that was why he promised the electoral reform committee at his swearing-in. obasanjo who was handing over to him mentioned it… (to be continued next week)

Buhari and Me (4)



Buhari and Me (4)
Continued from two week ago…
Buhari: Well, I think I have already answered that question partially. I said my vision is that we must work according to the constitution, whether you’re a councilor, an LG chairman, a governor or president. And this thing to me is very clear. All this uhm… you’re right in a way… all this abuse of office, money getting missing, contract of 1million to be made 5milliion, and the contractor who was made to sign for it, when he realizes, he will refuse to do the contract according to the agreement because nobody can afford to take him to court; he will say “ok, this contract I signed is for 5million but I was given 1million”. So people get away literally with murder in this country because of lack of accountability. But we cannot say nobody can correct it. I told you, under a different system an attempt was made to correct it and we are hoping that under the democratic dispensation, people will attempt to go by the law. For example, there was an IG of Police who, during Obasanjo regime, after three years, was able to mobilize more than 17billion naira for himself. Thanks to the EFCC that time, he was successfully prosecuted. Now, that’s how it should be… and it should not be just on rare occasions for people to be called to account. It should be the norm.
Me: But people don’t come out with their own credentials, they continue to ride on the personage of Gen Buhari. What have you done about that?
Buhari: ‘Am afraid – and I think I’m getting tired of criticizing the Nigerian electorate – I think it depends on the electorate. If somebody wants to be the councilor of Kaduna North LGA, there are people who’ve been there; they know him. It’s up to them to make sure that, from whichever party the person is, if he’s not a good person and cannot be trusted, he shouldn’t be voted. Instead, they just go there and deal with somebody who just emerges (from primaries). So they allow a crook who stole money to go hire thugs and terrorize everybody in the constituency and, may be, hire people to snatch ballot boxes, to stuff them somewhere, in a village head’s house and go to the collations centre and he’s announced winner. And people know all that! And they know he’ll say goodbye from that day until the next election…
Me: (cut in): So you’re saying that regardless of the picture of whomever they have on their poster, the electorate should be active…
Buhari: (cuts in) Yes! Kano did it. Bauchi did it. They also did it in Lagos…
Me: You were in a meeting with the President, Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, this Tuesday past and the papers reported that amongst other things discussed was the need to hold credible elections, come 2011, devoid of rancour and violence. Now, given the motions on ground by the government, i.e. the new electoral act and INEC under Jega, do you see that happening, at least at the level of elections credibility?
Buhari: Well, this is what all Nigerians hope, I believe including your very self. Uhm… I saw the speculation even before I saw Mr. President. I was invited for breakfast (it was Ramadan period) and that is what I went for… straight from my car to the breakfast table and back to my car, and I drove away. And there were about twenty people; there wasn’t any private discussion between me and Mr. President. But commenting on free and fair election, I was encouraged when he went to the US. He talked to Obama, he talked to CNN, he promised a number of things, among them, he promised he will make sure there will be free and fair elections in Nigeria; and that there will be improved security – all these kidnapping and assassinations – he was worried about it, he mentioned it. He was worried about unemployment and he was worried about corruption. And when he came back he relieved (Maurice) Iwu; I celebrated (general laughter in the studio). It would appear Mr. President was serious. And then when Jega was recommended – he had never met Jega from Adam, according to him – he approved it and Jega got there. And from what I saw in the press, across the country people had respect for Jega because of his antecedents. So to be fair to the President, he has been on course and when they (INEC) wanted that money – 87billion – whatever it is, and the signing of the electoral act, that was again done against the pressure of time, time which was between now and 15 January when the general elections will start… so really, to be fair to the government, though under pressure, they have been trying to convince Nigerians that, this time around, the government is serious; they want free and fair elections. The rest again is left to the Nigerian electorate; let them go and deliver their constituencies; they shouldn’t be always complaining and I think I must have been tired of going to court (laughter).
To be continued…